>> I think getting involved with an outdoor program is starting to build their trip logs,
which is basically a breakdown of all the outdoor experiences you've had,
just in an Excel file, explaining what, if it was a personal trip, if you were leading it,
how many participants, what the conditions were like.
I think that's probably the most important thing, and you can start to see what outdoor rec
within a collegiate setting is like and some of the things
that go along with that, the good and the bad.
And get that trip log built up.
Start making connections, going to conferences, things like that.
And then I think kind of the big thing for most people who want to work
at a university is you need, I won't say you need, but it's definitely helpful
to have some sort of degree past, an undergraduate degree just
because hiring committees on a university campus are looking
for bachelor degree, master's degree.
So I think looking for that graduate citizenship, going onto more school
after you graduate with your undergrad is important if you want to work
at a university just because that's, it's just what they're looking
for in most cases, not all cases.