>> I mean it's definitely-- the thing about design is it's a process.
And like the end result is great and it's something you can be proud of,
but what's really interesting is just the intellectual process
that builds that final result.
So, working and collaborating with our marketing department.
Not doing everything right the first time.
You know, really trying some different things and experimenting a bit to get
that final result is a lot of fun.
On the flipside, when you're working with a marketing department, they're analytical.
They're-- they have-- they're on the under end of things.
I'm in more of the art side of things.
I crossed over a little bit into the marketing.
And then the designers I work with are pretty much straight
on the production and the design end of things.
So, being between those two groups, it's almost like a middle man position.
Almost like a translator as well because one group doesn't necessarily understand the other.
So, the marketing people they have all these big concepts, these ideas they want to sell,
but they don't really-- they don't necessarily-- their expertise is not in how to show it
and so it's really achieving their goal without-- achieving their goal in an elegant way
and that's very readable and understandable.