>> My undergraduate school was the University of Michigan.
And I'm from Detroit originally.
And when the time came to go graduate school, originally I was going to get --
I knew I wanted a doctorate and originally it was going to be in religious studies.
I liked psychology but it was more my minor.
And then when I applied to different programs and schools,
I saw that Temple had a program they had just started that --
where you got your PhD in religious studies and your Master's in community psychology.
And I think it was supposed to be meant for people like in the ministry.
But I got this and I also got accepted to a lot of other doctoral programs.
They're all in religious studies.
And in the time that I had applied to the time that I had to choose where to go,
I already had started beginning to realize that psychology was going
to be more important to me than I originally thought.
And it was -- it just knew it made sense to me to do this program at Temple.