-: So if you wanted to work in career services
at a law school, not everyone,
but most of those individuals are lawyers.
And so I went to law school
and I practiced in Chicago
at a downtown law firm for a little while
and then I was a defense attorney for awhile as well.
And ultimately though I wanted to work with students.
It was something I had always wanted to do
and so we came back and I was able to
work at career services at the law school.
I would say though if you wanted to do what I do,
maybe not so specifically at the law school.
You should explore while you're an undergrad.
Go work or talk with people who work with students.
Student affairs are in the career services office
to find out what they do.
I bet they have an internship opportunity that you can do.
And then ultimately
if that that's the career path that you're looking for
there are great programs at Ball State
and other places where you can get a degree,
master's degree, and higher education.
Student affairs or something similar
and then that will propel you into student administration.
If you want to work at a law school though,
I'd say you should think about going to law school.
Well I think you're always trying to
be thoughtful and make connections with the students
because it is always about where do they want to be.
Where are they trying to get to.
And so I think the best career services professionals
take an interest in the students
and take an interest in ultimately
where they're trying to get to.
That's one part.
The second part, I think is
you're always trying to keep it fresh.
For me I always want to do something new.
And so lets do something new because its new
and so I am always looking for new programming,
new sorts of events that we can do.
New ways of connecting the students
so that we can keep things fresh,
keep our alumni interested,
keep our students interested
and try to make those connections.
Interviewer: Shaun you're here today
so obviously Ball State must mean something to.