>> Environmental management, at least in the way I define it,
is preventing messes from recurring.
I've spent the vast majority of my career and spend a great deal
of my time now cleaning up environmental messes.
In some senses I'm a janitor.
I'm going and cleaning up the messes that we occurred in the past.
Proper environmental management and especially using what the term is EMS
or environmental management systems is management --
it's preventing the messes from occurring in the first place.
And the more you can do to do that actually saves us all money --
the organization, and because I work for the government, that means for the taxpayer.
The more we spend on upfront management saves us much more in the tail end in cleaning up messes.
And so that's one of the things that I enjoy the most about environmental management per se,
is actually preventing these types of messes from occurring in the first place.
>> Can you kind of run me through an example kind
of how you were talking about before about --