>> And this is a very challenging just in a technical field in general.
A lot of technical people, they're like I like coming in everyday,
I like pushing the blue button, you know, this blue button produces code, it sets up networks,
it really is, you know, they get job satisfaction around that piece.
And so it often becomes a challenge for folks that, you know, haven't moved into a mindset
of hey, what does the business look like.
For me, I love this.
You know, I think for me both my undergrad and my post graduate work.
My operations and statistics have been my most rewarding and most challenging classes.
You know, because they are, I really see that the numbers can tell a story.
And if you can use the numbers in the right way, you know, mix them in with certain, you know,
KPIs and you say, oh, we can by making these measurements, you know,
we can move into the next level in business.
And whatever that is, right?
And how you do that successfully.
I think that's always the challenge, right?
Is you're not just, you know, you might fundamentally say hey,
I'm excited because I can help a business, right?
But at the end, we are a business and you have to do it profitably.
And so I always find that being able to do it profitably is always a certain amount
of challenge and how much money you can spend overhand and how much money you can make.
And I just get excited about that part of the management piece itself.