>> Well, there's two entries into this field that-- in this department here.
We have a lot of people who worked in the field, like me.
And then we also have a bunch of people who know computers and who have learned the software.
So, either of those, I would recommend taking classes in both.
Or taking an apprenticeship and adding classes to it.
So that you understand both the practical elements of how things work
out in the field and all the software.
Those things are not usually taught together.
And so, this is a really, it's kind of a rare thing.
You can't-- people don't really train for it.