>> I came to the university as an art major.
My first semester or two I was actually in the art department.
And while --
-- I, I thought that's what I wanted to do.
I wanted to be a graphic designer or some kind of illustrator.
I didn't feel like I fit in.
Once I got into the program, I didn't feel like I was like the other people.
And it, again, it wasn't satisfying the technical side of, of my personality.
So I tried photography briefly because I do have a background in photography through high school,
and I, working in a, a camera shop during college.
And --
-- that didn't fully satisfy me either.
So I actually took a semester off to kind of think it through.
Like, I need something that's artistic, creative, but also detail oriented.
So architecture came to mind.
And so during that break I visited the various departments on campus.
Where do you teach architecture here?
How do you get into that field?
And I found out that industrial education offered that.
They, they allowed me to tailor my degree in a particular way where I could,
I could learn how to draw, design, do renderings, but I could also combine classes
from other departments on campus
that teach construction management, just construction techniques --
-- how to use the code, understand the code.
And so I created sort of a special major within industrial education.
And --
-- overall it was based on architecture.