>> If a student is watching this and wants to do what I'm doing,
it's absolutely the first thing -- the very first thing is to volunteer.
Volunteer to work in ASI, volunteer to work in student affairs.
There are a million opportunities from the radio station, the newspaper,
campus programming, student government.
All those things help to -- help a student to understand the innerworkings of the campus.
But not only that, you then begin to understand student affairs.
You begin to understand that basic servant leadership, which is something
that really is pushed in student affairs.
You begin to understand how it is that you can find your space.
Really, I mean -- folks that are in student affairs, really, at some point said, OK,
this is my niche, I can do it, I feel good about it, it's something that I can tell other people
about and teach them, and that's how they kind of get their jobs.