>> I went to school at Pomona College, undergrad.
I was a political science major.
I was kind of like an international relations major.
I focused on comparative politics.
And so, I think again, even at the time, I was thinking about the way
that the government impacts day to day life of people.
And so, that's sort of why I headed in the direction of government, ultimately.
Because I think I really -- I mean, I'm at a -- I'm far away from people day to day.
I'm not personally dealing with people, but I think constantly about the impact of these laws
and regulations and changes and practice.
And how the government impacts people's lives.
And so, I went to law school at the University of Michigan.
And there is a big emphasis on public service.
I mean, that was true here at Pomona, at some level.
But so, you know, I thought giving back was a good way to do it.
I mean, it's not a huge sacrifice.
I mean, I think there are people that I studied with that make more money than me
because they're in the private sector.
But I get a lot of satisfaction out of feeling like I'm having an impact.
I go to work every day, a lot of times stuff I'm working on is
on the front page of the newspaper.
It feels like it matters to people.
So, I think you get an intangible satisfaction out of that, at least I do.